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time. i'm going to play europe, the etf. >> i was hope gemma was going to sing there, but you buy facebook, though it's had a nice pop. the ad news. and murph left you a second. >> carlisle. bye-bye. power starts now. halftime is over. the second half of your trading day begins now. there's a man coming at me here, downgrading america as corporate icons, gm and hershey. what does it mean for earnings season? it could mean a lot. that's up in two minutes. now the neverending hunt for yield takes us across the ocean. an unlikely place. would you like to buy greek bonds? beware of greeks bearing bonds. is the yield worst the risk to americans. and heart bleed, an online security flaw, putting all of our log-ins and passwords at
risk. popular web sites, banks e-mail accounts, online retailers all quite vulnerable. what is being done about it? we will tell you later this hour. first, to sue at the nyse. >> good to see you, ty. stocks making a comeback after a rough few sessions. 16,337.51. s&p up almost half a person. almost a full person gain in the nasdaq. the biotechs really bouncing back -- i should have just said rally. seema mody has a market flash. >> leading higher are the biotech. in fact second highs as investors look for bargains after the recent sell offthe etf, among today's big gainers. celgene, biogen and a nice rebound for the group, sue.
>> indeed it is, thanks so much, seema. 58 minutes before the fed minutes are released. we have a lot on our place this hour, including two big downgrades by hershey and gm, morgan stanley putting gm at underweight. the firm sees the auto cycle as having peaked. the truck segment is under pressure. the analysts also thinks the global auto industry is entering a period of significant technology disruption. morgan stanley's price target goes to $33 a share. we are effectively there. it's 33.79. the stock is already down about 18% year to date. let's move to hershey. goldman sachs cutting the chocolate company to a sell. the firm says international momentum will continue, but u.s. momentum is fading due to competition. the stock is also on a downward trend, off 6%, off 2.6% in today's trading session. sara eisen covers the consumers,
phil the autos. your thoughts on the morgan stanley move, effectively they were very, very late on this if you're going to cut, we're effectively at the $33 price target. some people say, what's new here? >> right. >> we've known the auto industry is moving into a period where perhaps we're at peak sales, close to it here in the united states. the tech disruption factor is one that's been out there for a while, so do you look at general motors as adam jonas does and say, i don't think these guys are in a position to go anywhere, or do you look at general motors and say right around 33, $34, eventually they get past the recall crisis, the auto industry moves into a new cycle and things pick up from there. he is saying it's going to be dead in the water for some time. others are looking at this and saying sure, but now is the time to buy, so that's how people are looking at this note from morgan stanley. very interesting, phil. thanks so much.
this is a big auction week. today it's the ten-year note up for sail. rick santelli is tracking the action. >> $21 billion reopened tens, adding to an issue put forth. the grade charlie-plus. c-plus. i'm surprised it wasn't former. 2.72 is the year old, but the bid market was offered at 270 and a half, so they have to back it up. higher yield, lower price, but the rest of the internals were pretty good. are chasing every declare of securities available, better than 2.64 ten auction average. the indirect close to the ten auction average as well as the directs at 15.2. 40%, 40.1, actually went to dealers, so c-plus auction at a time where a spanish five-year is around the same as our
five-year, we see that the pressure is mounting with some of these spreads. hard to get a good pricing indication, but we'll continue to monitor with the 30-year tomorrow. sue, back to you. okay. thank you very much, rick. back to one of our top stories. sara eisen covers the great american consumer. why is gold 3457b sick of hershey? it's chocolate. >> priced to perfection was the reason. hershey's has been one of the darlings of the consumer sector. it's had a few rough weeks, but over the past few years it's outperformed other staples and it'sen innovating and importantly it's had a multiyear beat -- that's how goldman puts it and says that cycle will come to an end 679 the stock near an all-time high. it's really factors in very high expectations that goldman says hershey's can't meet. it's important to note this is
not the consensus view, in fact jpmorgan also put out a note on hershey say, yeah, this first quarter might look rough, but in general jpmorgan reiterating the bullish call on hershey. it's a competitive environment, they've been taking market share and jpmorgan says important lly cocoa prices are starting to go higher and that should help the pricing power, but hey, the warning is it's competitive. for instance, nestle has a butterfinger cup that's giving the reese's a run for its money, sue. >> yum. back to seema mody. >> a strong day for facebook, the stock rebounding from the recent sell-off after update beats susquehanna says the first quarter ad revenue should surpass expectations and suntrust recommends buys the stock ahead of the first quarter earnings results. the stock had lost more than 15% of the value since hitting a
high of $72.59 on march 11th, the stock up about 5% on today's trade, sue. >> thank you. dominic chu is here with me waiting patiently in the wings to address the broader large consumer companies. >> what it kem down to is earnings season. the question then becomes whether these companies will be able to report earnings robust enough to justify the value wagsz. you heard sarah mention hershey is near all-time highs, or stock market is near all-time highs. the expectations for earnings are not strong. overall thompson royaltier says analysts expect to go up by just 1% over the same time last year. sales up by a better but till paltry 3%. if you look at the sectors that are going to be the worst and most impacted, telecom services and retail discretionary are
expected to post strong earnings growth. on the weaker side energy materials and financials. >> we've talked about 9 low expectations for this earnings season. is it in the mark, do you think? >> that's the interesting part. others say you have to look beyond the overall season, focus on specific sectors. it will show the stress test, everybody else and whether tapering is having an effect. that's going to be key. >> dom, thanks, we'll see you a bit later. ty, up to you. >> thank you very much. we're going to talk a bit more about earnings, market and more. jeff, let me just tart with you. what are you looking for in earnings? and is slow growth or almost no growth in earnings something that's going to be worrisome for stocks? >> it's a being problem, tyler. listen, this has been the worst earnings cycle in 5 yea5 years.
we're only 20% above the prior peak, and you heard dominic, 1% growth year over year this quarter. earnings have to be better. fortunately we think they will. weather had a big impact on first quarter profits, but remember usually one third of weather-related losses go away, but two thirds is deferred. what we're seeing in new orders, a lot of indicators tell us that listen for guidance here on q2, that could be good news. >> jerry, what do you say snow how worried should we be? if the earnings aren't there, as some point you have to pay the pipe other. >> it's obviously something people are worried about, probably why we have a pullback here, but i think the step back is to understand the impact the acceleration and revenues will have on bottom lines. while wee focus on the first quarter and the reports that will come from there, understand that this is a very weak quarter from a seasonal standpoint. as we move into the pent-up
recovery demand and then ultimately the second half of the year, our suspicion is you're going to have much more surprises on the up side, and what we typically see, and the reference to historical recoveries, those have been periods of time when the cyclical earnings, the industrials, the energy, the consumer discretionaries have all seen very high variable margins, so a small increase in retch generated a. >> final quick word, jerry seems to be counting on pent-up recovery demand, but if it hasn't come yet, when is it going to come? you seem suspicious of that. >> i do think it could come in the coming months. shipping traffic, we get that on a weekly basis, consumer industrial loans are coming back. these are all precursors to the growth that jerry is talking about. listen, the earnings season itself could be a good pertain for the stock market.
94% of the gains have come during the six-week earnings season, so look out. that may have been what stocks have been waiting for. thanks very much, guys. appreciate it. would you lend money to greece for five years? thousands of investors are apparently maybe getting ready to do so. the country of greece is expected to reenter the capital markets tomorrow for the first time in four years and two years since their last investor suffered big losses when greece restructured. a lot of questions here, including what's the yield? should american investors get in? or is this for institutions? something the likes of you and i should pass upon? michelle caruso-cabrera has been the details. >> this is a big milestone event, right? the country that started the whole financial crisis being able to borrow again. they hope to borrow 2 to 2.5 billion euros, the yield is about 5 to 5.25%, a duration of five years. junk rating on these bonds, tyler, which brings us to the
head scratcher in this. greece's debt is higher than it was when it restructured. you know how restructures are supposed to work. but that didn't happen with greece. in fact citi points out -- >> because? >> because they ended up injure borrowing money from ear european governments to pay back the old debt, right? their debt to gdp -- >> sounds like some friends of mine. >> greez's debt to gdp is 177%. still incredibly high, yet this bond tomorrow, only roughly 2.5 billion worth, there's demand for 11 billion worth of euros. huge, huge demand. >> why would any american -- even an american institution. >> our european. >> you've got the currency risk there. >> yes. so currency risk, these are denominated in euros, you as an american are buying them in dollars, so you have to worry
about what happens about the euro over time. >> right. the repayment risk. >> could they default. there's two answers. first of all, what do you get if you get a five-year bond from the u.s. treasury? not very much. let's so you a german bond at five years, 0.65%. nothing. so the world is yield hungry, a. b, when greece borrowed all that money, the payments stretched out was very far away. they don't have big payments for roughly ten years, but these bonds tomorrow are only five years. so these are super senior to places like the imf and all these other places. >> you're going to get paid back sooner. >> exactly. >> maybe before the next wave hits. >> that's the theory. now, 5.5% is much, much higher, shows much higher risk than, say germany. at the same time it's way down from the 20-plus% we used toss.
>> thanks very much, michelle caruso-cabrera. sue, down to you. let's talk more about that. steven smith is one of the biggest bond managers heading up brandywine's portfolio with 50 billion in assets. nice to have you here, steven. >> thank you. >> what do you make of grease coming to market? would you put money in those bonds? >> we have money into pigs, but? irish, italian and portuguese bonds. we do not buy aaa-rated securities, but i believe greece will pay off, but it's not part of where we are focused. >> this was over-subscribed as michelle so aptly put it, that the world is yield hungry, but also expected to flip these bonds fairly quickly. if institutions do flip them, would it be a good opportunity for the average american
investor who maybe wants to add yield and some risk to their portfolio? >> i think if somebody wants to add yield and risk, greek bonds are probably a good risk-adjusted investment. >> let's talk about the u.s. market here. the ten-year note, what is it telling you? we seem to be getting slightly different stories from the stock market and the bond market. what's your read on the bond market and what it's saying right now? >> well, what it's saying is that -- i hate to go back to bernanke's speech in may, but you basically took the second half of the business cycle and repriced bonds. so interest rates on say 30-year bonds went from 2.5% to almost 4%. so you just have to go ask yourself, is that a good value? inflation is falling from 2.5 to 1, so you actually had a great yield on long-term bonds. we actually bought a lot of long-term bonds. part of the reason is simply
people are worried about the great rotation, but in the first quarter, the great rotation was into 30-year treasuries, and return to almost 9%. and so i just think that you're being paid for, you know, extending maturity because central banks have inflation anchored, and the central basics here in the u.s. and europe are worried about deflation. >> all right. steven, nice to speak with you. thanks for engining us today. steven smith, brandywine's global fixed-income. ty? the dow industrials putting on the ritz. higher by 36 appoints and s&p up seven. when we come back, a new problem for anyone who uses the internet, basically everyone, and it has to do with something called heart bleed, your passwords and log-in information are vulnerable. plus public pension fund managers putting wall street to
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highs. it would been down more than 11%. now, among individual stock winners, linked in, yahoo!, ebay, priceline and pandora, all moving higher. over to you and tyler. we all know that credit card fraud is expensive, but how much does it cost? tlr are there are so many but a february report for javelin research and strategy says the costs here in the u.s. rose to $11 billion last year, up from $8 billion in 2012. the survey says that over 8% of u.s. consumers were impacted. and notarization and mailing of any documents that were needed. now if card fraud leads to identity theft, the cards could climb.
cost back to keep in mind that they have zero liability when it comes to covering the losses, and limited liability on fraudulent debit card transactions. merchants and processors bear the losses related to online and purchases over the phone. card issue serious known as what is bad in-store presence. card issuers will also handle the costs of replacing cards with a card costing anywhere from dr 2 to $10 each to replace and businesses also have to pay for notifying and assisting any impacted customers. keep in mind those are all business expenses and they all trickle down. the whole topic of the future of payments, is really fascinating the way the world is going. using your cell phone, paypal, it is, and i think with credit card fraud there's another big cost coming. the chip-enabled cards, that
could be a billion transaction, so the cost to the business, but eventual the cost of that will be keeping the consumers safe. >> they have this in europe. >> they do have it in europe, it's pretty much a global standard, you could say we've been late to the game in adopting it here. but visa and mastercard wants these in consumers hands by 2015. it's been called one of the biggest security flaws. it's caused heart bleed, affecting much if not most of the internet, leaving your personal information lease passwords, e-mails at risk. jon fortt and natry morris are here to explain just mu have you vulnerable we are and what we can do. >> heart bleed is a bug in the code to open ssl. what open ssl is the protocol that web sites use to authenticate themselves to their own servers so they can access information like padwords,
secure information that we want very secure. >> so is this s. jon, a malicious bug inserted by something or just a flaw? >> it was probably just a mistake in the way the code was written. the way you know kind of what this is about, you know how when you go to a banking site you see https, there's a lock that appears, that's when you're supposed to be having an encrypted session. everything that you send back and forth to that servers -- >> is not what it means this. >> it's supposed to be secure, but the problem is they left this lock capable of being picked, because they didn't write the code quite right, so right now a bunch of companies are racing to apply a patch to servers, issue new certificates. >> why is it so scary? >> it's been there since december of 2011. the past two years we've been thinking we've been going inside a secure building when we get on the web, but there's a window open, so we're not exactly sure
how much it's been exploited, so there's not much we can do other than march around the web and demand that our web sites iffics it. that's up to the i.t. departments. >> they know how to fix it. but the trouble is, a, you don't know whether the site you used has been exploited. you have to go out there and search around, plug in the server name to see if i am vulnerable, once you know, you need a notice that they have patched it, then change your passwords. >> some company aring taking to twitter or blog posts, buzz that's a lot of worse. >> should i log in, and most of us just can't not log in. >> change my passwords? >> of course you're changing them regularly. >> some words for the people who reuse the same passwords, because -- >> who would do that? >> i don't know. >> we've been told not to do that for a long time. appreciate that.
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on the right side of your screen is ethan brown. he is the ceo of beyond meat. he can hear us, but can't respond yesterday. wet celebrity chef and restaurant tour curtis stone, the host of "top chef masters" and recently owns his own restaurant maude in beverly hills, and we also have sheila here. sheila, what about you? >> health and wellness is such a big part of our society. my biggest issue was the taste if you're finally going forget a meat eater to try the products, i have to say i was impressed. >> unfortunately for me, when i tasted the product, i don't think it does taste like 345e9. there's a couple of them that do a big better job, a couple fell really short in my humble opinion. >> i'm a natural skeptic. i like tofu separately and like hot dogs, but when you put them
together in tofu dogs, i haven't found one i like. let's get into the first questions. >> who is your target? when you talk about people with meat substitutes there are sort of two sides, people who are already vegans or vegetarians or people you try to convert. who are you going after? >> about 70 million americans today are actively reducing their meat consumption, so they're not cutting out meat entirely, but once or twice a week they're deciding this meal i'm going tore a plant-based, it's the broader 70 million folks we are after. >> sheila? >> one of the big issue with his food products is how do you get distribution on very, very crowded grocery shelves? >> we launched the retail packs in whole foods. this year in about 4,000 stores, at target in september, safeway in may, in publix, and others. >> talk to me about the dollars and cents.
number one how much written do you make and are you profitable? >> as a private company we don't talk about those things, but we are growing very fast. there's about $188 billion meat market. you see consumers at a rate of about 1% per year, there's a massive trend under way. >> curtis, jump in. >> let's talk about the ingredients that you use in the products. using protein isolate, potassium chloride. there's a lot of questionable ingredients there. >> there is a small percentage of the population that, you know, are constantly looking at and suggesting things tharthar in fact healthy for us are not. just because it's not a long word doesn't mean it's not healthy. i'm waiting to the day that somebody doesn't drink water because there's too much highs roe gen in it. folks like curtis will make a lot of money by saying -- >> so tell me about titanium
diobjection i had. >> it's naturally occurring. it's a mineral. >> okay. are you planning to go offshore? >> yeah, we're going to china in about a month. we are talking about some of the major meat providers there. >> we heard what ethan this to say, we have to work out whether we are in or out. sheila, what about you? >> my biggest concern was the taste, would you really be able to convince other people that it tasted like meat. i tasted it, i was sold, i think it's on point, on trend. i'm in. >> curtis, what about you? did he manage to convince you? >> after one consumer or the other, that's the existing vegan veg tear matter or the meat eating market that you're going to try to convince. you've told me it's the latter. for that reason i think the product needs to mimic the flavor of food. unfortunately i disagree that it does taste as good or even clo el to as good as natural meat products, so unfortunately i'm out. >> i thought it tasted like
meat, i was very impressed. i'm in on the flavor. i wanted to hear more about their plan. i liked the fact that you go over to china. i wish you the best of luck. if you can tap that market, that's a coup. at this stage i'm in. how do you feel? >> there are some chefs that embrace it. alton brown, mark bittman loves the product, we won't win everyone, that's okay, we won't need to. that's today's "power pitch." all right, folks, you heard what the panel had to say on the start- start-up. we want to know what you think? are you in or out on beyond meat? log-on and leave a comment or you can following the conversation on twitter with the #powerpitch. seema? what goes up must come down,
utility stocks which had been a big winner, giving back some of the gains as investors look to the biotechs and other beaten-down sectors, utility index now at session lows. pep ko, firstenergy, pc & e, duke energy, excelen all to the doirch side. thanks, seema. rick santelli, i had one trader say we were approaching on the ten-year yield. what do you see? >> the death cross, all these dimpt movie and average scenarios are all important. so, to that end, look at intraday, we spiked a bit at 1:00 p.m. it was an auction, it wasn't a great auction, but an auction. we are moving a bit higher.
we're kind of trading at or slightly above yesterday's high yields, but here as the chart that matters. moving averages aside, february 1st, we're in a range. now it's broadening a bit, and you can see that on the correlation trade with the dollar/yen, it's broadening a bit, too. at in the point in time, it certainly seems like 260 to 280 is a bet you want to take in terms of staying in that range. >> tyler, back to you. american student debt crisis trillion dollar problem and growing, one east coast law school now slashing tuition. smart move? desperate move? what does it say about our education system? we're counting down to the fed minutes at the top of the hour. plus -- >> the city behind the home is home to the headquarters of dollar general. it was voted number five on "forbes" best places for business and careers in 2013. and academy award winner nicole kidman has a home in this
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this week we've been taking a look at the top investment strategies. it's part 3 of our series top public nest eggs and we focus on the nashville and davidson county metropolitan benefit trust funt. it's number 7 on morningstar's list of the top performing state and city pension funds with a return of 18.3%. bahdi is the chief investment officer. nice to have you here. appreciate it. >> appreciate the visit. >> you're based in nashville, but you're here in new york city looking for fund managers, which i find kind of curious, because i'm sure there are a lot of capable fund managers closer to home for you. what brings you to new york? >> we do have institutional managers in nashville. one comes to mind, courage capital, but for the most part, new york has hundreds and hundreds of managers. so this week i'm up here for the
annual conference, a day meeting, and so around that i scheduled about 12 with potential manager and some existing managers to review strategies. >> you have some interesting strategies. you moved out of fixed income several years before some other fund managers did you see moved into edgeities. what made you make that early move? >> it was clear in '09 that fixed income was going to do well. we wrote that for about three years. we realize quantitative easing eventually has to end and the down side to that. we also diversified among three strategies to adjust for the potential right in rates. we used tli strategies that have
done well. that was able to exceed our benchmark by 390 basis points, just by making that move. we also like debt on the assets. they've been lending less and less to basically reduce the size, we've seen opportunities to lend opportunities. we broading it to do credit, infrastructure, energy and real estate. >> and a fairly significant international exposure. of that, a significant portion is in emerging markets, which is different from what we've seen from some of the other managers? >> yeah. we are slightly above what a
benchmark would indicate, but we're using in strategies that are not benchmark constrained. i think we have to look beyond the benchmark. that tends to be heavy with exporters, minerals, so on, so we focused on consumers strategies, and we did well, put them in place, and the market came down, so now we're back to about flat from when we started. >> this year has not, obviously been as easy a year in equities as last year was. one of the issues is people are talking about high frequency. whether or not it helps the system or whether it adds costs. i don't know how much you trade, because you do have so many different alternate asset classes, do you worry about hft? >> of course, it's hft and other things that go along with that. the market has to be healthy. the whole business is built on the idea that they are building
technological advantage. this is not healthy. i think as flash -- points out, what you have here is a brokers that are selling their flow signing multimillion deal contracts, that's why customers can trade for $7 trades in their brokerage accounts. the money is being made off of them in a backhanded way, and that is not what the market is supposed to be about. i hope that changes eventually. it's amazing michael lewis writes a book and all of a sudden things might change. >> between michael lewis and cnbc, we'll see what happens. >> i've got my moan on you. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. good luck in new york this week. ty back up to you stay tuned debt crisis, one well-known east coast law school now slashing
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investors not happy, the stock down about 3.2% today. sue, over to you. thanks so much, seema. the college debt crisis in the u.s. now reaching over $1 drill onand it is growing. here on the east coast brooklyn law school recently announcing it will be cutting its tuition by 15% next year. what's behind the change? why do it right now? here with me at post 9 is brooklyn law school dean nick allard, and ellie mistal joining the conversation as well. dean allard, let me start with you. brooklyn law school has been cutting edge. you have made a lot of changes to your curriculum to give advantages to students that might not otherwise have them. why did you make the 15% tuition cut right now? >> sue, thanks for having us. this is a very important national topic, as you mentioned. the reasons are really simple.
it's educationally sound, it's good business, and it's just. we have a national problem of people being unable to go to law school who are highly qualified and motivated. the problem continues, if they attend, they often graduate with excruciating debt and then unable to pursue jobs where they are well qualified for and can do good. >> one of the reason you were able to do this is you have a strong balance sheet. >> correct. >> you've sold some of your hard assets like real estate, things like that. so your bottom line is strong enough to be able to support a 15% tuition cut, correct? >> absolutely correct. that's what we did. we strengthened our very sound economic platform. we were able to dispose of real estate we didn't need because we have new very high-quality residential property which we provide affordable housing to our students and made other
changes including cost reductions. >> ty? >> ellie, how do you react? if i were to tell you the law school is cutting tuition by 15%, do you think, as the dean said, good business or desperate business? >> why can't it be both? at some level this is great news. more law schools need to be doing this. i think dean allard is right, it's unjust to have students graduating with this kind of crushing debt. the other side of it, the business side of it is that law school applications are near all-time lows, the conference i'm at in seattle we're talking about how even this year we'll see another net reduction in the amount of people going to law school. what's happening is people simply can't afford the education, i think it's good business for all law schools who are concerned about actually having students attend. >> dean, you have also added more initiatives so that
students who may need financial help, but may not have the gpa, they still can go to law school and choose the type of law they want to practice when they get ute rather than perhaps the type of law that they might not embrace fully, but it pays more, and they've got the student debt, so they have to go into an area of law that perhaps is not their preference. >> that's right, i must say elie, looking very dapper, looking like the downtown lawyer you used to be. good to see you doing so well over there. life must be good on the other side. but in any event. it's absolutely right. we've tried to put a package together, but i don't want to overstate what we've done. we've taken a significant step, but a lot more has to be done. every law school dean, every law school, every family with somebody considering going to law school -- -- pricing
themselves out of the business. the reason this matters for us is because lawyers are the people who have always stood up for people in the united states. they're the ones for architect of economic growth. this might be the heart of business, but lawyers have always been in america the brain of business. >> elie, final question, do you expect more law schools to do exactly what brooklyn law school is doing? about 40 seconds. >> i think more law schools will have to. applications are so low that law schools will have to start competing on price. dean allard talked about selling off some of the hard assets. that's a great idea. i think they'll have to look at cutting salaries. >> all right. gentlemen, thank you so much. elie, good to see you. dean, please come back and visit soon. you think gm has problems, toyota announcing the second
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